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致上面某網友之網貼【3】: 這位網友以前發表過”類似”的批評貼,受到看不過去的網友質問. 兹將舊貼剪輯附上,供這位網友”重新溫習,”也請讀者們看了這舊帖後自行評判這位網友上面貼子的嚴謹性/客觀性/合理性以及”所反映出這位網友的成熟度和歷練度.”

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛(I) [精华] 呱呱随笔:感恩的泪水止不住的流(以下根据教会感恩见证整理)序言:呱呱的传说....1. 两个关系。...2. 两个实例。...3. 两个体会....
-gaga88(呱呱); 2011.10.22 11:33 (#7006894@0)

(II) 你说的这些难道真的需要信了那子虚乌有的神才能做到和得到吗?中华的道家,佛家关于修身齐家的道理比鬼子们的基督深奥多了,这真是外来的和尚好念经啊
-jjbb(wait for future); 2011.11.1 16:42 (#7031923@0)

(III) (a) encourage you to enlarge your knowledge/experience base. (b) encourage you to improve your expressional style/skill. (c) cut/paste below to remind you about (a) & (b):
-christian1 (christian) 2011.11.1 23:22 (867 bytes. #7032790@0)

(IV) * 烦解释下什么叫与主亲近?
-jjbb(wait for future); 8.15 13:14 (#6854521@0)

(V) * 与主亲近? dear jjbb: God is in your heart/mind ... just as your loved one is in your heart/mind ...
-christian1(christian); 8.20 13:01 (#6865679@0)

(VI) * 这个实在不敢苟同,把loved ones和子虚乌有的东东做比较。你们对主都是单相思,而单相思的人只有全凭想象意淫才能和那个爱人“亲近”,说白了就是啥也没有,啥也不是
-jjbb(wait for future); 8.22 12:30 (#6867985@0)

(VII) * dear jjbb:
(1) "just as" is different from "比较." (encourage you to enlarge your knowledge/experience base; also encourage you to improve your expressional style/skill.)
(2) "loved" mentioned here is righteous love, not your kind of "单相思/意淫." (wish you learn to understand what "righteous love" means.)
-christian1(christian); 8.26 18:32 (143 bytes. #6877740@0)

(VIII) 唉,信主信的连母语也不会用了.
(a)原封奉还,你们到了海外信洋教的确实需要好好补一下自己传统文化的缺失
(b)我的表达很得体,意思明确,针对事而非人,不象你上来就一副教训人的样子,我就不明白对于网上陌生的ID,你有什么资格,就凭信了个洋主子?我看对象采用不同style没觉不妥
(c)有事说事,别整虚头八脑的,我说中华文化里修身齐家的道理强于基督教,你不服?你们这一大群中国人,国内给党妈洗脑,出来又迫不急待接受再次洗脑,但对于自己老祖宗传下来的东西则视如粪土
-jjbb (wait for future) 2011.11.2 13:47 (#7034040@0)

(IX) To jjbb: Your replies to gaga88 (11.1 16:42 #7031923) and to me (11.2 13:47 #7034040) have many flaws along with assumptions, subjectivity and illogicality:
-christian1 (christian) 2011.11.4 10:40 (#7038732@0)<本文发表于: 相约加拿大:枫下论坛 www.rolia.net/f >

(1) 你说的这些难道真的需要信了那子虚乌有的神才能做到和得到吗?
How do you know 那神是”子虚乌有”的? Please present your reasons and proof! If you can prove that you are right, I am willing to give up my faith! If you cannot prove it, don’t say this anymore from now on and in the future in Rolia! gaga88 just presented his testimony and share with the readers! Why you made such a disrespectful comment in reply to his posting?

(2) 中华的道家,佛家关于修身齐家的道理比鬼子们的基督深奥多了,这真是外来的和尚好念经啊
In gaga88’s testimony, he talked nothing about 中华的道家/佛家关于修身齐家 or 外来的和尚好念经. This is your own statement; please elaborate and substantiate it.

(3) 中华的道家,佛家关于修身齐家的道理
The founder of Buddhism Siddartha Guatama, was born around 560 BC in north of India … ; Buddism was originated from India. Regarding “中华的道家,佛家,” you mean “中华的道家和中华的佛家”or “中华的道家和佛家?” There is a difference. How much do you know about 中华(include?)佛家关于修身齐家的道理? Please share with the readers! Please also elaborate about 中华的道家关于修身齐家的道理. I would like to learn from you!

(4) 比鬼子们的基督深奥多了!
This is your own statement, so please share with the readers your reason(s) of 比鬼子们的基督深奥多了! Why are you calling 鬼子们? What about if 鬼子们 call you “Eastern-Asia-Sick-People?” Do you mean 深奥 (according to your statement) is better? Are you sure?

(5) 这真是外来的和尚好念经啊
Who are the “和尚?” Are you 外来 or “和尚”外来? Please elaborate about what you mean by “好念经!”

(6) 唉,信主信的连母语也不会用了
Unfortunately, you are assuming again: the fact is that my computer doesn’t have Chinese language software, therefore I have to write in English and use cut/paste function to get Chinese characters.

(7) 你们到了海外信洋教的确实需要好好补一下自己传统文化的缺失
How do you know “你们” don’t or haven’t kept “自己传统文化?” Can you define what “自己传统文化的缺失” is? If you don’t know enough about “你们,” “洋教,” “传统文化” and “缺失,” you are not in a position to make this statement. If you do, please share with the readers including me.

(8) 我的表达很得体,意思明确,针对事而非人; 我看对象采用不同style没觉不妥
If you can provide me with reasonable explanations for all my above and below questions respectfully, I will accept your above statement.

(9) 不象你上来就一副教训人的样子,我就不明白对于网上陌生的ID,你有什么资格,就凭信了个洋主子?
You expressed your comment on gaga88’s posting disrespectfully. Why cannot I express my comment on your comment? Who is my 洋主子 (according to your definition)? I don’t have any 主子 above me or any 洋主子 above me.

(10) 有事说事,别整虚头八脑的
Why you said, and what is “有事说事,别整虚头八脑的?” Please elaborate with substances!

(11) 我说中华文化里修身齐家的道理强于基督教,你不服?
I didn’t comment anything about 中华文化里修身齐家的道理 vs 基督教. Why you twist to make such a statement?
I didn’t say anything about “服 or 不服,” so why you said, “你不服?” It is you who said, “你不服?” You sound you are inviting quarrels: It’s fine with me, but please argue with “substances.”

(12) 你们这一大群中国人,国内给党妈洗脑,出来又迫不急待接受再次洗脑,但对于自己老祖宗传下来的东西则视如粪土
This is a very disrespectful, distasteful and insulting comment! How do you know it’s “一大群”, not a small group? How do you know “你们这一大群中国人” were brainwashed by 党妈? How do you know “出来又迫不急待接受再次洗脑?” What do you mean by 洗脑? How do you know “对于自己老祖宗传下来的东西则视如粪土?” Please elaborate and substantiate your entire statement in (12).

My final comments:
(1) Those who are humble, respectful, open-minded, objective, logical … eager to learn and grow, will benefit themselves and spouses/children (if they have).
(2) Those who are assuming/ignorant/stubborn/arrogant/narrow-minded/subjective/fanatic/emotional ... will do the opposite.
(3) I personally believe that we all should try to be like those who are in Group (1), as I have seen the benefits they generate in their own lives and the lives of their family members and people around them.

2011-11-04 at Toronto for Rolia 心灵感悟
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(X) 我无法证明上帝不存在如同无法证明玉帝王母不存在一样,但理性和常识让我相信他们和'主'一样不存在.任何从未被证实过的东西无需去证伪,我如何去推倒一座从未竖立过的墙?谁主张谁举证很适合用在这里.其他的就不和你罗嗦了,如果不是你用点名这类让人生厌的方式也懒得回你,我原帖也不是对你的。信息时代自己学去,人生道理并非仅仅圈定在某一狭小的教义之下
-jjbb (wait for future) 2011.11.4 12:52 (#7039636@0)
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  • 枫下拾英 / 心灵感悟 / 加拿大鹅
    • 假如那加拿大雁父母心里有神,就不会担心牠们的孩子会被伤害了。
      • 神爱世人,恰似(胜似)人爱自己的孩子。不知这些可爱的动物,在天上有没有它们的位置。我希望答案是有...
    • 给这篇文章配乐:Whitney Houston - His Eye Is On The Sparrow (with lyrics)
      • 很应景,谢谢了。
    • 我倒是想起圣经里浪子回头的故事,当人迷失在世界里,过着愁苦劳烦的生活,就像那位天天在村口等候浪子回归的老父亲一样,上帝天父盼望我们回转归回的心情。
      • 回想起来,我当时之所以流泪,是因为那一瞬间,我对那些曾经失去孩子的的家庭所经历的伤痛,突然有了深切的体会。我们安慰他人的时候多半会说“我完全理解你的痛苦”之类的话,但事实上,我们对他人的痛苦的体会到底有多深呢?感同身受真不是一件容易的事情啊。
    • 老鹰如果抓不到小鹅,家里小鹰饿死是不是又得让你下泪? 成年人了,还这类林黛玉式的悲哀... 凡事都能和神联系起来,可见神其实是极其主观的东西, 主观的就是并不可靠的东西. 你描述的不过是动物保护后代的本能,或自然界的平衡,真看不出和神有半毛钱关系
      • 光从语法上,就看不见你的这个三句话前后有任何逻辑: 凡事都能和神联系起来,可见神其实是极其主观的东西, 主观的就是并不可靠的东西.
        • 你们信神并且任何事物都可以联想到神,无论关联与否,所以信神(上面少打一字)是极其主观的东西,其他人就不会见个鸡鸭鹅狗也要想到神爱世人.既然是主观的,当然就不如客观的可靠,经得起推敲,可难得你们成天还把这主观的其实是子虚乌有的东西当客观存在并向人推销
          • 你的这句:“把这主观的其实是子虚乌有的东西、、、”,用主观来形容肯怕还不够啊,应该用‘胡说八道’来形容比较确切,你看怎样,结结巴巴 :)
            • 看来你老毛病是改不了,别人还没打你右脸,你就先张牙舞爪地攻击别人了,就你这伪基督徒的心态,耶稣老头是不收的,以为会搬弄几句圣经的句子就能进天国,你自己不觉很滑稽吗
              • 总是结结巴巴了,被打滴?
      • 万物见证神的作为,因此把万事都与神联系起来想来错不了。而流泪是因为从中体会到了感慨与无奈:如果把我与geese父母换一下位,我将会是什么样的心情?你举的鹰的例子不错,我相信这个例子也能打动我。
        然而被某件事件打动,并不是等同于说这件事情本身就一定是好的,值得支持的,或是全然正义和逻辑完备的;而是说这件事情中有些元素触动人心,让人感同身受,并从中经历神。不同的人经历相同或相似的事情时也许有不同的反应和感受,但我们决不能说只有某某人的感受才是确实的,真切的,或是对的,其它人的感受都是无意义或不合逻辑的。

        举个例子:A的父亲B是个罪犯,B把A拉扯成人。后来B去世,A哭了。仅仅因为B是A的父亲这一点,A就有了哭泣的理由,即便B是个十足的恶人。如果我们对A说,你的父亲B十恶不赦,不值得为他哭泣,你觉得这样子合不合理呢?
        • 不同的人当然有不同的感受,林黛玉式的感伤也没啥大不了,我质疑的是你们极其牵强地和神联系某些事,而且是选择性地想到神,偶然见到火车啦,黑冰车打滑没事了等等小概率事件,其他天灾人祸从不去联系神,weird之极.
          • 有人仰望穹苍,看到神的作为,而有人只看到星星;有人在花花草草中看到神的奇妙,也有人只看到花花草草。你质疑是你的权利,对此我没有任何意见。但不会因为你的质疑,就改变了人属灵的眼界。
            • 请教一下,你们为什么,凭什么认为神是完美的? 其实,宣称自己是完美的,既危险又可怕.危险是对他而言,别人只要证明哪怕他的极其细微的不完美,他的神话就破了,这个证伪工作从人类长远的文明史角度看不应该难. 而可怕是对信他的人,
              因为他是不可违抗的,质疑的,反对的,信他的人绝对不能有二心,如果任何毫无恶意的怀疑都被视为对他的不敬,就会被他拒之门外, 甚至招致惩罚,那么他和人类史上任何一个独裁者,暴君,独夫, 毫无区别
              • 你的问题 google 一下就会有很多答案,我不想简单地把这些答案抛给你。我只想请你换位思考一下:你又凭什么认为你的观点就是对的呢?
          • 天灾人祸也联系神,大多数人不方便说而已。
    • 好文!
      • 谢谢支持。
    • 致上面某網友之網貼[1]: 愛動物是愛人的延伸–沒有什麼不對. 愛(健康的)是不嫌少不怕多. 愛有很多好處–包括家庭幸福/婚姻美滿/子女(身心)健康成長. 不信的話,不妨試試看.
    • 致上面某網友之網貼[2]: 沒生過孩子的,不知生孩子的苦與樂.沒爬到高處的,不知高處不勝寒.沒在生死線上走一遭的,怎知生死之隔.沒經歷過神的,怎能斷然說神是子虚乌有?信神沒有主觀(自己)經驗,恐只能算是客觀的知識.西人教會常說:”Christianity is a relationship with God.”
      • 深有同感,说得太好了。
    • 美丽的文字洋溢着对生命生灵的眷爱。不过我想说的是,不要过于靠近野生动物,特别是它们处于抚育期,更不要去touch幼仔,这样的示爱反而会伤害它们。对自然界的野生动物而言, 爱,就是不打扰,就是给它们足够的空间。
      • 谢谢提醒,我记住了。
        • 谢谢你的文章,它让我感动。
          • 你们俩个是美丽和爱的化身,好和谐:)
    • 致上面某網友之網貼【3】: 這位網友以前發表過”類似”的批評貼,受到看不過去的網友質問. 兹將舊貼剪輯附上,供這位網友”重新溫習,”也請讀者們看了這舊帖後自行評判這位網友上面貼子的嚴謹性/客觀性/合理性以及”所反映出這位網友的成熟度和歷練度.”
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛(I) [精华] 呱呱随笔:感恩的泪水止不住的流(以下根据教会感恩见证整理)序言:呱呱的传说....1. 两个关系。...2. 两个实例。...3. 两个体会....
      -gaga88(呱呱); 2011.10.22 11:33 (#7006894@0)

      (II) 你说的这些难道真的需要信了那子虚乌有的神才能做到和得到吗?中华的道家,佛家关于修身齐家的道理比鬼子们的基督深奥多了,这真是外来的和尚好念经啊
      -jjbb(wait for future); 2011.11.1 16:42 (#7031923@0)

      (III) (a) encourage you to enlarge your knowledge/experience base. (b) encourage you to improve your expressional style/skill. (c) cut/paste below to remind you about (a) & (b):
      -christian1 (christian) 2011.11.1 23:22 (867 bytes. #7032790@0)

      (IV) * 烦解释下什么叫与主亲近?
      -jjbb(wait for future); 8.15 13:14 (#6854521@0)

      (V) * 与主亲近? dear jjbb: God is in your heart/mind ... just as your loved one is in your heart/mind ...
      -christian1(christian); 8.20 13:01 (#6865679@0)

      (VI) * 这个实在不敢苟同,把loved ones和子虚乌有的东东做比较。你们对主都是单相思,而单相思的人只有全凭想象意淫才能和那个爱人“亲近”,说白了就是啥也没有,啥也不是
      -jjbb(wait for future); 8.22 12:30 (#6867985@0)

      (VII) * dear jjbb:
      (1) "just as" is different from "比较." (encourage you to enlarge your knowledge/experience base; also encourage you to improve your expressional style/skill.)
      (2) "loved" mentioned here is righteous love, not your kind of "单相思/意淫." (wish you learn to understand what "righteous love" means.)
      -christian1(christian); 8.26 18:32 (143 bytes. #6877740@0)

      (VIII) 唉,信主信的连母语也不会用了.
      (a)原封奉还,你们到了海外信洋教的确实需要好好补一下自己传统文化的缺失
      (b)我的表达很得体,意思明确,针对事而非人,不象你上来就一副教训人的样子,我就不明白对于网上陌生的ID,你有什么资格,就凭信了个洋主子?我看对象采用不同style没觉不妥
      (c)有事说事,别整虚头八脑的,我说中华文化里修身齐家的道理强于基督教,你不服?你们这一大群中国人,国内给党妈洗脑,出来又迫不急待接受再次洗脑,但对于自己老祖宗传下来的东西则视如粪土
      -jjbb (wait for future) 2011.11.2 13:47 (#7034040@0)

      (IX) To jjbb: Your replies to gaga88 (11.1 16:42 #7031923) and to me (11.2 13:47 #7034040) have many flaws along with assumptions, subjectivity and illogicality:
      -christian1 (christian) 2011.11.4 10:40 (#7038732@0)<本文发表于: 相约加拿大:枫下论坛 www.rolia.net/f >

      (1) 你说的这些难道真的需要信了那子虚乌有的神才能做到和得到吗?
      How do you know 那神是”子虚乌有”的? Please present your reasons and proof! If you can prove that you are right, I am willing to give up my faith! If you cannot prove it, don’t say this anymore from now on and in the future in Rolia! gaga88 just presented his testimony and share with the readers! Why you made such a disrespectful comment in reply to his posting?

      (2) 中华的道家,佛家关于修身齐家的道理比鬼子们的基督深奥多了,这真是外来的和尚好念经啊
      In gaga88’s testimony, he talked nothing about 中华的道家/佛家关于修身齐家 or 外来的和尚好念经. This is your own statement; please elaborate and substantiate it.

      (3) 中华的道家,佛家关于修身齐家的道理
      The founder of Buddhism Siddartha Guatama, was born around 560 BC in north of India … ; Buddism was originated from India. Regarding “中华的道家,佛家,” you mean “中华的道家和中华的佛家”or “中华的道家和佛家?” There is a difference. How much do you know about 中华(include?)佛家关于修身齐家的道理? Please share with the readers! Please also elaborate about 中华的道家关于修身齐家的道理. I would like to learn from you!

      (4) 比鬼子们的基督深奥多了!
      This is your own statement, so please share with the readers your reason(s) of 比鬼子们的基督深奥多了! Why are you calling 鬼子们? What about if 鬼子们 call you “Eastern-Asia-Sick-People?” Do you mean 深奥 (according to your statement) is better? Are you sure?

      (5) 这真是外来的和尚好念经啊
      Who are the “和尚?” Are you 外来 or “和尚”外来? Please elaborate about what you mean by “好念经!”

      (6) 唉,信主信的连母语也不会用了
      Unfortunately, you are assuming again: the fact is that my computer doesn’t have Chinese language software, therefore I have to write in English and use cut/paste function to get Chinese characters.

      (7) 你们到了海外信洋教的确实需要好好补一下自己传统文化的缺失
      How do you know “你们” don’t or haven’t kept “自己传统文化?” Can you define what “自己传统文化的缺失” is? If you don’t know enough about “你们,” “洋教,” “传统文化” and “缺失,” you are not in a position to make this statement. If you do, please share with the readers including me.

      (8) 我的表达很得体,意思明确,针对事而非人; 我看对象采用不同style没觉不妥
      If you can provide me with reasonable explanations for all my above and below questions respectfully, I will accept your above statement.

      (9) 不象你上来就一副教训人的样子,我就不明白对于网上陌生的ID,你有什么资格,就凭信了个洋主子?
      You expressed your comment on gaga88’s posting disrespectfully. Why cannot I express my comment on your comment? Who is my 洋主子 (according to your definition)? I don’t have any 主子 above me or any 洋主子 above me.

      (10) 有事说事,别整虚头八脑的
      Why you said, and what is “有事说事,别整虚头八脑的?” Please elaborate with substances!

      (11) 我说中华文化里修身齐家的道理强于基督教,你不服?
      I didn’t comment anything about 中华文化里修身齐家的道理 vs 基督教. Why you twist to make such a statement?
      I didn’t say anything about “服 or 不服,” so why you said, “你不服?” It is you who said, “你不服?” You sound you are inviting quarrels: It’s fine with me, but please argue with “substances.”

      (12) 你们这一大群中国人,国内给党妈洗脑,出来又迫不急待接受再次洗脑,但对于自己老祖宗传下来的东西则视如粪土
      This is a very disrespectful, distasteful and insulting comment! How do you know it’s “一大群”, not a small group? How do you know “你们这一大群中国人” were brainwashed by 党妈? How do you know “出来又迫不急待接受再次洗脑?” What do you mean by 洗脑? How do you know “对于自己老祖宗传下来的东西则视如粪土?” Please elaborate and substantiate your entire statement in (12).

      My final comments:
      (1) Those who are humble, respectful, open-minded, objective, logical … eager to learn and grow, will benefit themselves and spouses/children (if they have).
      (2) Those who are assuming/ignorant/stubborn/arrogant/narrow-minded/subjective/fanatic/emotional ... will do the opposite.
      (3) I personally believe that we all should try to be like those who are in Group (1), as I have seen the benefits they generate in their own lives and the lives of their family members and people around them.

      2011-11-04 at Toronto for Rolia 心灵感悟
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      (X) 我无法证明上帝不存在如同无法证明玉帝王母不存在一样,但理性和常识让我相信他们和'主'一样不存在.任何从未被证实过的东西无需去证伪,我如何去推倒一座从未竖立过的墙?谁主张谁举证很适合用在这里.其他的就不和你罗嗦了,如果不是你用点名这类让人生厌的方式也懒得回你,我原帖也不是对你的。信息时代自己学去,人生道理并非仅仅圈定在某一狭小的教义之下
      -jjbb (wait for future) 2011.11.4 12:52 (#7039636@0)
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